While I'm on the subject...
Why is it that the very same people who cry about spanking are the ones who are okay with stabbing a LIVING fetus in the back of the head with a pair of scissors?
Why is it okay to kill a living, feeling human being, and not spank a disobedient child?
Is it because there is no "hitting" involved in abortion?
These people act so tender and loving and caring and sensitive to the well-being of the most vulnerable among us. Why do they not react with outrage at the killing of an unBORN baby? Why are they so quick to make abortion about the woman and not the child? This is the Mount Everest of hypocrisy! Is a plane crash more about the plane, or the occupants?
If you truly care about the the littlest of us, show it by helping to make sure they at least GET here first without having someone vacuum out their brains while they wait innocently in line to simply be born!
"Love doesn't hit!" they spout.
Well I doubt if love squashes out the life of a fetus because it interferes with the ability of the mother to "have it all," or because she can't afford it, or because the babyDaddy left, or because it would be embarrassing.
"Violence is not the answer," they preach.
How doggone violent is an abortion? Pleeeze!
God told me to spank a foolish child and not to murder an innocent one. Case closed.
Will the passing of the proposed Massachussetts law mean that doctors who swat newborns will be arrested? I'm just asking...
You tell me to stay out of your bedroom. I suggest that you stay out of MY woodshed!
Some grown folk need to be whupped!
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I'm confused by your comparison. Those are two separate issues and people DO NOT fall on the same side of both issues. It does not follow that those who are pro-choice are against spanking. There 'pro-choicer's' who spank, and some who don't. There are right-to-lifers who spank, and some who don't.
And regarding spanking: the studies conclusively prove that spanking causes harm. I find it puzzling that there's even a debate.
May the peace of Christ be with you!
Thanks for the comment.
I am making what I feel is a valid generalization.
My point is this: generally speaking, liberals are the ones who don't like spanking. Generally speaking, liberals are the ones who are in favor of abortion.
I find it odd that, generally speaking, those who say that spanking causes harm -- Oprah, and the like -- are the ones in favor of the ULTIMATE harm of killing a baby.
I know that there are opinions on both sides. I am speaking in general.
The word "liberal" in itself defines the behavior that would allow kids to have more liberty in terms of being disrespectful, and disobedient, etc.
The same word defines the type behavior that would think that killing an unborn baby is a better solution than celibacy or sexual responsibility.
It is a liberal mindset that says to abort a fetuswhen it is inconvenient to carry it to term for whatever reason. The majority of bortions are NOT because of rape or incest, by the way. (And how is it the baby's fault how it was conceived? Why do ignominious circumstances warrant the death penalty for the innocent?)
Of COURSE there are studies that prove spanking causes harm! There are studies that prove that NOT spanking causes harm, that spanking does good, that two parents are better than one, that two women make just as good parents, that gayness is unchangeable and genetic, that aspirin does good, that aspirin harms, that heat is good for sprains, and that ICE is good for sprains! Global Warming studies go both ways, too.
Heck, the TOBACCO industry can put up studies that show that smoking is not harmful!
Studies have shown that there is a study to prove both sides of every issue in existence!
I submit that YOU probably adhered to the study that fell in line with your notion.
My personal study is like the scientific method of observation! I have seen where whacks on the butt, in proper administration, have been extremely effective. I have seen "time out" and the like fail miserably.
I have seen spanking without love, restraint, and other proper measures fail horribly, and I have seen "reasoning" ridiculed by children who know that they are dealing with saps, wimps, and suckers!
What do you do with the brute or the bully who refuses reasoning or time out? What do you do with little Billy who refuses to stay grounded, or refuses to not sneak and do what you told him not to do?
Spanking is a stopgap measure that plugs the dike until such time as little Billy develops the reasoning abilities to adhere to more mature methods.
BIBLE studies have conclusively proved that spanking, not abuse, is a Godly method of correction for a disobedient child.
"Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child, and the rod of correction will drive it far from him."
"If you whip a child, he will not die." There are others.
Different children require different degrees of discipline, and for some, spanking is a valid alternative.
God Himself spanks us in MUCH more painful ways than with a belt, and no one could accurately make the claim that HE causes us harm.
He took the life of David's child. How's THAT for a whupping?!
Like you, I too find it puzzling that there is a debate. But the good thing right now is that You can raise YOUR kids the way you see fit, and I can do the same!
Please accept my words and be blessed! Derrick.
Let me apologize in advance about the length of this comment. My hope is that you will indulge me and read it entirely
With all due respect, your so-called personal study of observation is not scientific, objective nor conclusive. Regarding the studies on spanking: There are NO studies that show any long term benefit to spanking. None. Feel free to cite ONE study that shows a net-benefit in spanking. Even if you COULD cite one, there are hundreds of studies that have shown that spanking causes harm.
I know...you might remember a study or two that hit the papers recently that showed spanking had benefits.
Please continue reading:
There are some studies that show that spanking causes a short-term benefit in behavior change -- it stops a negative behavior immediately - but does not prevent the negative behavior from returning. There was a recent study that hit the mainstream media that cited a similar result (short-term benefit) -- but the media failed to report that the same study found that spanking actually INCREASED the likelihood that the negative behavior would return! Similar studies that have shown a short-term benefit show that spanking causes a long-term harm in child self-esteem. In other words, there is only one net result from spanking -- children are harmed.
There's truth in your argument that studies can show anything -- and your example of the tobacco industry is perfect! That's why when conclusions are made surrounding any social or health problem, a survey of studies is made. When someone does a research study and reports results, some one else who is unrelated to the original study DUPLICATES the study. When the study is duplicated and the results are the same...some conclusions are made. Then someone else duplicates the study -- again unrelated to the other studies -- and if the results are the same, it only makes the conclusions stronger.
The tobacco industry studies clearly were faulty studies that have been refuted by thousands of other studies. There is not an equal balance -- a survey of all studies conclude that tobacco is dangerous -- and one of the leading causes of the high cost of health care.
Spanking issue is the same. A survey of all studies conclusively shows that spanking causes harm. Social scientists are in agreement about this. There's no equal balance -- it's the studies overwhelmingly prove that spanking causes harm. That's why I always wonder about the debate.
One of the most interesting studies on spanking that I've seen was about people's perception on spanking. Folks were questioned about spanking -- about whether or not they BELIEVED the research that spanking causes harm. Most said they DID believe the studies were true...they agreed (in a number of questions) that spanking causes harm. They were then asked if they would still spank their children. Most of them said YES, THEY STILL WOULD.
And again...you might FEEL that your generalization is valid...but it is quite unproven.
God bless you...and have a wonderful Christmas my friend.
Peace.
Oh...and regarding your BIBLE citations...there's no place in the BIBLE that suggests we should spank our children. It only points out that spanking occurred. The point of the citation that you make is not that we should spank our children but only points to the inexperience of children.
Peace.
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